Honest, 1st Hand Experience Review Of Renatus & Real Estate Mastery Mentors Meetup.com Group Hosted By Bob Tierney

Piotr Krzyzek —  March 22, 2011 — 33 Comments

Update (11/21/13): Bob Tierney e-mailed me recently and asked if I could post an update about him, his local troops and what’s been going on. If you’re interested, read Bob’s update: Bob’s Progress Update At Renatus.

Searching around for networking events and groups I came across a rather large local group on Meetup.com called “Real Estate Mastery Mentors”. As an entrepreneur it’s essential to connect with as many people as possible, you never know who will be able to take you to the next level! As of this writing the Real Estate Mastery Mentors group stands at 291 which is rather impressive, so I thought “heck why not. Let’s join this large group and network!” Even more impressive was the outline of what is offered on the Thursday night events! I was so impressed I joined up and went to the first available meeting. So let me tell you the story of what I experienced there and how I was introduced to the Renalutus group and their programs. I’ll tell you the good, the bad, the awesome and the ugly. It can be assumed that at any business related Meetup group (or any business group for that matter) will be some sort of a lead generator or have some service or product presented. Going in, I knew that at one point or another they would do a sales pitch so I was mentally prepared for that. What happened next is a true account of what happened (as best as I can remember). So please read the whole thing before making judgement because there were many unexpected turn of events … most of which were pleasant. I half expected the meeting to be at a office or something, but what I found was rather amazing. They have a rather large (~10,000sqft) office which is well decorated and well organized. A very good, calm yet exciting, professional setup. First thing they do is ask me to ‘check in’. I thought that was kind of weird, but ok. So I give them my name and I get a pretty sticker with my name on it. YEY! Upon entering the classroom area, yes they have an actual conference/classroom/seminar area that easily sits 200 or so, I hear the presenter talking about real estate and methods. I’m already impressed! There are four project screens, two on each side of the room. Very comfy indeed. AND! They even had comfy chairs. … Yes, I’m a sucker for comfy things. But this is were my excitement died. After settling in and finally paying attention to the presenter I noticed he was talking about the company and their products only. So I thought, ok … maybe they are just presenting their stuff first? Sadly I was wrong. I wasn’t too happy with this. Why? Because this is what they promised on their Thursday meetup (according to their current Meetup.com group and Thursday event description):

Honest, 1st Hand Experience Review Of Renatus & Real Estate Mastery Mentors Meetup.com Group Hosted By Bob Tierney

Join us in Downers Grove for an overview of the real estate market and some of the current investment strategies that investors are using to make amazing profits on real estate deals right now. Topics to be covered; Short Sales, Foreclosures & REO’s, Subject-To Purchases, Creative Financing strategies including Joint Ventures, Self-Directed IRA & 401K strategies (SDRP), and a host of other strategies that are being used in what most investors are considering the best market for investing we have seen in our lifetimes. Well wait a minute … Where during that 1.5 hour sales presentation did they ever cover anything other their own products? **Sadly … never. **

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  • Tom Colton

    Thanks for your opinion. I was just introduced to the Renatus group here in Phoenix last night. I agree with you, the folks I met last evening were up front and honest. My head is still spinning with all the facts that were presented but I’m excited about starting this new journey.

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      Well Tom, there are a lot of ups and down about Renatus. The big minus is that it’s just another real estate MLM program, and I’ve checked out their actual real estate material and it’s ‘ok’ … nothing ground-breaking, new nor well presented. The actual videos are horribly recorded and sound quality is a joke. Though the networking possibilities of the group are very high!

      • Chris

        Piotr You keep using the work MLM Renatus is NOT and I repeat a MLM. Its direct sales. When someone enrolls in their education you get a commission. Is selling cars MLM? No! As for the education its stellar!!! compare this to ANYTHING else out there. Wealth Builders Fortune Builders Trump Montelongo and the list goes on and on. Wealth and Fortune Builders will cost you upwards 60K Trump can top 100k Rich Dad Poor Dad can run 60+k. Nobody else has as many practioning instructors teaching in the field of their expertise. The education that Renatus puts out combined with LOCAL support and Mentorship for 15K cant be matched by anyone! Fact. The faxt that you keep calling the marketing side of the business MLM speaks volumes towards your ignorance in these matters. Yes its network marketing yes its direct sales there is a HUGE difference between these. As for getting this knowlege at the library really? Ive never known a doctor who became a doctor by reading a book, Ive never known a lawyer who became a lawyer from reading a book. This is why as a real estate investor I truly have little competition in the market place. Im a highly educated sophisticated investor with a bunch of guru and book reading investors as competition. Thats no competition at all.

        • http://piotrkrzyzek.com/ Piotr Krzyzek

          Unless things have changed, the sales of the Renatus RE training is MLM. Networking marketing is simply one level of sales and no more; in network marketing / direct sales there is the manufacturer (Renatus) and then there is the distributor (you / the affiliates). No more, no less.

          In MLM, there is the manufacturer, then you the distributor and you get commissions for any sales you make personally, but you are also encourages to build your own sales force and get overrides for (pretty much) anyone under you: thus, assuming the structure is the same still at Renatus: it is MLM.

          I may be ignorant about many things, that’s for sure, though if you are going to call me ignorant at least have the common decency to back your statements up with correct facts.

          If they have changed their model please get me in touch with Bob and the other Bob as well and a few of the other’s I used to be in contact in the inner circle and I’ll talk to them about my article and I’ll update it accordingly. Since I originally posted this article way I talked to Bob (no the owner bob, the other Bob way up high) and he rather liked this article and didn’t have any changes to it only updates. Updates which I happily posted in an adjunct article.

  • Joanne Oliver

    Mr. Krzyzek,

    Are you for real, I see you are from the Chicago area where I no there is a huge Renatus group. I have been approached by this group in North Carolina. I don’t have alot of money, I am intersted in the education, they sound good, what i like about them, they claim to have alot of networking possiblilites. I would love to hear your real take on them either by email [edited out], or phone [edited out]. For the past 20 years I have been in the Mortgage Field Service, so i do have a little bit of experience, I just don’t know some of the strategies.

  • Rick M

    Don’t listen to this trash talker he’s a paid advertiser for the ‘MML group renatus. Renatus is a multi level marketing scan. This “author” of the article really does want you to join so he can make money off you. If you get the class or anything else he gets half of what u buy. If u pay for the 15000 dollar class he gets 7500. This place has pretty much nothing to do with real estate and everything to do with marketing you to buy their ” real estate class “. After u spend the money you realize the real estate portion is bull shit and now they only way to get your money back is to sucker someone else into buying the class. MML scan through and through. Don’t call this guy and don’t spend 15k on a BS course. Take that money and buy a property Instead.

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      Hey Rick,

      I’m not a paid advertiser of Renatus. I’d like to get some monies from them, though I don’t. Renatus IS a multi-level marketing company though it’s not a scam. The quality of their training program isn’t the best, though it’s on par with other real estate courses I’ve experienced.

      The particular Renatus group near me (and by near I mean a 40 minute drive) isn’t a scam, it’s largely about selling the product (of course! Everyone wants to make money) though they also focus VERY strongly on community, quality weekly/monthly training and strong relationships. There are many people in that particular group who did ‘make it’ in real estate. And there are those, like me, who didn’t.

      Would I like for someone to purchase through me? Yes. Would I get money for the first 5 (total) or so people who bought through me? No. Because I’m not ‘fully certified’, and I don’t ever plan to be. I kinda think that’s BS. But whatever. That’s MLM for you. They are nice people trying to make an honest living.

      Rick, have you actually been to one of their actual meetings? And to the group meetings that I have been? If you had, you wouldn’t think it’s a scam. It’s not. Is MLM a scam? no, it’s just usually perceived to be because of some past shady companies. It’s not always a glorious system and it’s pretty much all about selling. If you can’t sell this affiliate product, then maybe selling and MLM/affiliate sales is not the thing for you.

      What I do think is BS with Renatus is the $125 (or whatever it is) required to sell their product. WTF? Since when do I have to pay to sell an affiliate product? I think that’s complete bullshit. But whatever. They are upfront about it, you accept it or you don’t. Simple as that. Nothing hidden or ‘scam’ about that. They are also upfront about selling the product and the MLM structure. I didn’t like that I have to get “certified” to make any actual money … but that’s my opinion.

      So please, please tell me how is this a scam when (the people I have dealt with) have been upfront about everything?

      You may not like the MLM structure, and I know I don’t (unless I own one) … but MLM is a very legitimate business structure that is very lucrative for the right type of person. For me it wasn’t a good fit. Though I might go back for the community and networking aspect.

      So far I’ve made more monies hosting, doing websites and it’s all an easier sell and a heck of a lot less driving and I get to keep all the profits.

      You’re mileage will vary with them. MLM? Yes. Do I agree with all their business practices? No … Is it a scam? Uh … no.

      Unless you dealt with a douche-bag seller. Then that’s just not cool at all.

  • Jeff

    I have been involved with the Renatus community in Downers Grove and have purchased the education. I will say the education on it’s own is definitely not worth the money. All the information is very general and a lot of it is just basic common sense. The expert teachers are out of state and what they tell you may or may not be applicable to your area. After all the classes you will still have to read local statutes and pay to sit down with a real estate attorney. What they really try to sell you on is the network and mentorship but they have blown me off for the most part. Not answering calls or emails and wouldn’t even provide a proof of funds letter. The truth is they only want to ‘mentor’ you so that you can do all the work and bring them deals so they can loan you hard money at a rate that you could get anywhere else. They are interested in their success. Not yours. Spend your money somewhere else. I recommend flip2freedom.com they have podcasts that offer more information then renatus and it’s free.

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      Hey Jeff. I’m pretty much right there with ya. The educational info isn’t anything stellar … same things I can get from a library book for the most part. Some of it was interesting though. The videos I has were sub-par quality though, not worth the monies IMO.

      Thanks for the link idea Jeff! I’ll check that out.

  • Sergey

    Hey,
    I just got into Renatus after one year looking for something better online. I spent around $3 K for different kind of mentors with ‘live support’ and got no results. In Renatus I got a partner and a deal at my first day. I used to sell real estate before, but if you know nothing about it, videos would be very helpful. It’s mlm, but support that you get makes it to stand out. Nobody will make money for you there; some people get in and just look around for few months. I didn’t want to wait; it’s my firs week and I got few deals to work on. There are many opportunities around, and it’s up to you only which one you take, nobody will push you if you are afraid to move forward.

  • Sergey

    About http://www.flip2freedom.com ; I know that site. What you get there is just automated emails and bunch of pitch videos. They closed the access, you can’t get in. There is even no phone # to call. Renatus office is right here, in my city, and I can use it for my business.

  • Robert Fife

    if the real estate school is so great, and there is alot of money to be made selling and buying real estate then , why are they sharing it with so many readers. If it is so great, then why aren’t they actually doing it themselves. The teacher is the one who actually does it, the one has a proven track record for profits. But you don’t see that. You see alot of busy activity that looks like selling going on in the services that are not directly related to the actual flipping of property in a town. The best way to sell and buy property is to follow Donald Trump in what he does, the proven leader in real estate pioneering. He developed the inner workings of real estate in the city. He is worth 7 billion dollars as of November 22, 2011. As they say money speaks louder than words, and it is this money in flipping real estate property that Donald has done so well. He is a giant real estate pioneer in my book. All the power to you Donald Trump. The Trump Organization sold Swifton Village for $6.75 million in 1972.[49] In 1971 Trump began by landing the rights to develop the old Penn Central yards on the West Side.Trump renovated the Commodore Hotel and created the Grand Hyatt with the Pritzker family. He also renovated the Trump Tower in New York City and several other residential projects. He later bought the Eastern Shuttle routes,[56] and Atlantic City casino business, including acquiring the Taj Mahal Casino in a transaction with Merv Griffin and Resorts International.[57]In 2001, he completed Trump World Tower, a 72-story residential tower across from the United Nations Headquarters.[62] Also, he began construction on Trump Place, a multi-building development along the Hudson River. Trump owns commercial space in Trump International Hotel and Tower, a 44-story mixed-use (hotel and condominium) tower on Columbus Circle. Trump currently[when?] owns several million square feet of prime Manhattan real estate,[63] and remains a major figure in the field of real estate in the United States and a celebrity for his prominent media exposures.The Miss Universe Organization is owned by Donald Trump and the National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Trump became the executive producer and host of the NBC reality show, The Apprentice, in which a group of competitors battled for a high-level management job in one of Trump’s commercial enterprises. The other contestants were successively “fired” and eliminated from the game. In 2004, Donald Trump filed a trademark application for the catchphrase “You’re fired.”[4][5][6] If you are to learn from anybody, learn from donald trump. He can teach everyone alot, and of course doing it the right way.

    • http://ddachtera.blogspot.com/ David J Dachtera

      Robert,

      Your wrote, “If it is so great, then why aren’t they actually doing it themselves. ”

      We are! In fact, if you come out this Friday afternoon at 3, we’re looking at a deal in Willow Springs being done by one of our members. You can talk to other members about their deals.

      C’mon out and see for yourself, instead of believing rumors!

    • NEWright

      Well Robert the accomplishments of Mr Trump are Elite. All that you typed though is truly a waste because what you don’t have is access to Trump. What you do seem to have plenty of is negativity, so ebvne with the help of Donald you will get the same results. “Nothing” as most people do who’s primary motivation is, “IF”

  • Michelle

    Bottom line about Renatus and the R.E. education they offer: 1) the investment education is outcome based, meaning they design their classes just the same way colleges and universities design their curriculums. 2) because they don’t spend money on advertising, they offer people the opportunity to earn a SECOND stream of income via their Afilliate Marketing program. I’ve was recently fired from my job. Renatus has given me the opportunity, through its IMA program, to support myself and my family without me having to go out and get a part time job while at the same time, spend 5 to 6 hours day learning how to be a r.e. investor. The support from the community has been AWESOME! So I don’t know what y’alls problems are, but Renatus has been very, very good to me! EVERY industry…every large company will always have a handful of people who have had a bad experience with them. Not everything is for everybody.

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      Agreed, not everything is for everyone.

  • Steve Steffler

    Ok folks, here is my take on Renatus and the office(s) in the chicagoland area. I learned about the Chi office (Downers Grove) through a friend that came down to the now famous “thurs nght meeting”. This friend didn’t like the marketing aspect of the meeting (which is only covered in the last 10min) but did like the RE (real estate) info and possible networking for deals. So, I got the number for Bob T. to get more info. I called and left a quick message. Within a half hour, I get a call back from Bob. We ended up talking for an hour while I was in the parking lot of a famous tool store in my area. Bob and I have similar backrounds in which we both were and are remodeling/painting contractors. We both built small businesses from the ground up, all the while experiencing the heart aches of growing a self-employed business. Especially in this unforgiving economy, hence, why I was on the lookout for another stream of income.
    My first impression of Bob, Scott & Nancy Rowe’s office was not a Thurs nght, but a RE workshop weekend. Bob asked me to come out and it would only cost me $50. Ok, that’s fair. Then he follows up with “If you can look me in the eye, and after 2 days you didn’t think you got $50 worth of info. I will give you your money back!” Ok, now you got my attention!
    The first day is Fri (3pm-6/7pm) which past/current students come and give details on deals that they are working on and in some cases the group travels out to the actual properties for a q&a, nice. The 2nd day is when a Renatus “Instructor” or other RE investor teaches. The workshop almost always has a Renatus instructor. In this case, however, it was a local lawyer that the “community” uses. He did an amazing job on covering RE transactions including getting a business entity in place, which I already had and understood. I was impressed with the group and info, but wasn’t quite ready to pull the trigger on purchasing the education.
    Let this be known, I’m as skeptical as they come! The education was a no brainer, but my hesitation was in the following. If I’m going to invest time and money into this group and myself, I want to know this is not a “scam or otherwise”. Everything that I witnessed, told me that this group was on the up and up or legit. So, with no pressure from Bob, I purchased the essentials which is the first “foundations package” for $2k which was a stretch for my family and I. But, I was able to finance it. Bonus!
    Here is where it gets interesting. I came into this company and education only interested in doing RE, not the marketing aspect. As I got through the essential 8 classes and a ninth which helps you determine which vocational tracks to move into next, I was absolutely blown away. Other people in this blog mentioned that it is basic RE info. They are absolutely correct! After going through this “basic” info, I realized that I left $15k-$20k on the table on a fix and flip that I did 5 yrs ago. The reason why? I didn’t know what I didn’t know! It amazes me that people think they can go out and be “investors” without proper training and networking, knuckle heads. I can honestly say that because that is exactly what I did 5 yrs ago.
    As I plugged myself into this office and education, I soon realized how powerful it really is. One who comes on occasion or only once cannot fully understand what this education and company is about. Most people come into the office with preconceived notions or what they “really” know about this kind of business. “Pity the fool!”
    Since sept. ’11 when I bought the essentials, I have purchase the AIT (advanced investor training) which has 5 vocational tracks (each track contains 5+- courses within) and once again have been blown away with the content and value for the money. And the education is constantly updated with newly recorded online classes and live events.
    I mentioned previously that I was only interested in RE and not the marketing of the education. As I got through the classes and started to put offers out and talk about what I was doing. People wanted to know how and where they could learn, too. Being a business man, I soon realized that this was another income stream that I could use to buy Real Estate with and fully take advantage of this unprecedented RE market. This is the main reason why this affiliate program was setup, to pass on the income generated by the purchasing of the education.
    People, don’t be ignorant! This is exactly what the “Real Estate Gurus” do, they sell way over priced education to the masses with no “community” or support system and then turn around and buy RE or whatever.
    The Renatus opportunity allows the average person in on the secret of the “gurus” and gives back to the little people that build the business for the company, all the while offering an affordable education. Affiliate programs are popping up in all industries and with huge companies, google it!
    So in closing, thank goodness, right! I have decided this office and company is for me. It might not be right for you, but it is up to you to figure that out. There is no such thing as job security! I created a small contracting business over that last 10 yrs that is not currently providing for my family, due to the current economy. Instead of complaining about it and looking for others to take care of me, I’m doing something about it. The Renatus opportunity has now given my family and myself a new outlook on life and the ability to create financial freedom. All the while helping others through the education that I have learned and will continue to learn. Thank you.

  • http://ddachtera.blogspot.com/ David J Dachtera

    Hello, Piotr,

    I have a distant relative named Piotr in Poland who does a dachtera.org website for family history.

    I wanted to post here and correct a few mistatements.

    First off, about the marketing side of Renatus – you *ARE* aware that there *ARE* two sides to Renatus, right?

    The marketing side of Renatus is *NOT*, repeat *-N-O-T-* Multi-Level Marketing!

    How can you tell the difference?

    In MLM, your commissions are determined by how many people you have under you. The higher you are in the “pyramid”, the higher your “overrides”. The deeper your “downline”, the higher your payscale. So, you never really make any kind of money in MLM until you’ve recruited at least half of the Metropolitan Chicago area (population: roughly 9 million).

    The marketing side of Renatus cannot be called a “pyramid” of any kind. It’s more like a two-story home: there’s you and your team, and the people your team recruits – THAT’S IT! Although Renatus does use the MLM term “override”, overrides are only 5% of gross and are only paid out to the third person away from you. Commissions, on the other hand, are 45% of gross and are paid to the person making the sale (after certification). Their mentor, their mentor’s mentor and their mentor’s mentor’s mentor each get 5%. Note the Renatus does NOT use the MLM word “downline” – because we have none!

    D’ya ever see those pictures in stories about “flipping houses”? You know, the ones where the house is upside down and sitting on its roof? That’s actually a good picture of the compensation plan on the marketing side of Renatus: the people on the ground floor – the ones who make the sale – make the most money on each sale, while those higher up make the least – the EXACT OPPOSITE of the MLM model!

    As always, prove me wrong.

    Note also that not everyone chooses to do the marketing side – some just do deals, instead. Good examples are some of the young people who rent office space at Downers Grove. The don’t recruit, they just do deals and go on vacations when ever they want.

    Now, as to the real estate side of Renatus…

    The first thing we need to understand is that Renatus deals ONLY in real estate investing education. Period, end of statement.

    When you’re talking about the group in Downer’s Grove, that is *NOT* “Renatus” – in fact, there is no single entity there. Bob Tierney, Scott Rowe, and all the other individual investors there are entirely separate individuals and entirely separate business entities. The group in Downers Grove are active investors, student investors and those doing their due diligence before they make their decision.

    Now, do we lend to each other? Absolutely. Do we partner with each other on deals? Absolutely.

    Do we do each other’s deals? Absolutely not! Each investor is responsible for his or her own projects and income. That may be where people come in with inappropriate expectations. If you have a deal, it’s YOUR deal! No one is going to do it for you unless you transfer (“wholesale”) the deal to them, and then you’re out of that picture and need to go find another deal.

    So why the two sides? Real estate and marketing?

    Ask yourself: would YOU want to partner with someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing?

    Do YOU want to take your time to make sure that all the numbers work in the deal someone just asked you about? If you’re smart, you will, but do you REALLY want to repeat the entire process because you can’t be sure the other person knows what they’re doing? Can you trust that they’ve done what they were taught to do if no one taught them?

    Are you an investor or a gambler?

    Investing is our life, our income, our future, our PROFESSION! It’s not a hobby, a job or something we just dabble in. We don’t “try it and see if it works” – we DO IT! …until we MAKE IT WORK!

    We take the time, effort – and yes, expense! – to educate ourselves so we avoid costly mistakes, take a pass on deals that make no financial sense and we use our knowledge to help each other bring deals to fruition.

    Then again, some folks may want everything “done for you” (it never is), and “ten clicks to unlimited income” (never happens). That’s o.k.

    …but they won’t find what they want with Renatus or the group at Downers Grove.

    Hey – investing is not for everyone! Marketing REALLY is not for everyone! So I you didn’t find nirvana in Downers Grove, that’s o.k.! That’s fine! We’re not trying to be everything to everyone!

    However, if you didn’t find what you want with us, all I ask is that you please accept us for what we are: not what you wanted. It doesn’t make you right and us wrong, it just means we weren’t a good match for you and your goals.

    We’ll let you be who and what you are. Please allow us the same courtesy.

    I speak only for myself, my understanding and experience of Renatus, and my view of the group at Downers Grove. My opinions are my opinions. No one asked me to post this, and if I spoke out turn anywhere here, I beg pardon.

    Take care – be well!

    Much Success!

    • NEWright

      NIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!!! :-)

  • tony scott

    I feel renatusis close to armondo montelongo just not has aggressive. and not as much access to $$$$

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      These things are a bit tricky to figure out aren’t they? :)

    • http://ddachtera.blogspot.com/ David J Dachtera

      Tony Scott wrote, “I feel renatusis close to armondo montelongo just not has aggressive. and not as much access to $$$$”

      Tony,

      Do you have first-hand experience with Armando Montelongo? It seems you do not have first have experience with the Renatus students group at Downers Grove. If you did, you would know that we have access a large pool of private lenders and that we are not “aggressive” – we want people who make INTELLIGENT, informed decisions, not impulsive people. We need people who can think for themselves not those who are easily swayed.

      It’s important to note also that Armando Montelongo and his crew make their money off their TV shows and off their road shows selling their courses – they do not invest actively as a primary source of income.

      The group at Downers Grove are ALL active investors, student investors and those doing their due diligence before they make their decision to become part of the community.

      Oh, yeah – did you check out the local Armando Montelongo community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      How ’bout the local Rich Dad community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      How ’bout the local Mark Evans, DM, DN community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      How ’bout the local Nate Kennedy community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      How ’bout the local Dean Graziosi community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      How ’bout the local Jim Fleck community? You couldn’t have – there is none!

      I could go on and on, but I think you’re starting to get the point. The local REIAs try to do what we do, but they lack the resources and the dedicated members.

      If you find something better than the Renatus Community at Downers Grove, do share it with this site’s following! We’d love know about it! We’ll join you there and help you achieve the success you desire!

      In the meantime, why not join us?

      We’ve got a big workshop coming up this weekend, Sept 14 and 15, 2012 – you won’t want to miss it! Renatus instructor Brian Sump is coming out to talk about market analysis and short sales. See, with us you can actually sample our education before you invest! We hold workshops every month.

      Who else does that?

      Contact me via my blog website (click on my name) and I can get you registered!

      Take care – be well!

      Much Success!

  • Mika

    Piotr,
    I really think you could benefit from an editor, your grammar is wrong in many instances especially in the last third. You have even used the completely wrong word in some cases.

    • http://www.piotrkrzyzek.com Piotr Krzyzek

      Hello Mika,

      Thank you for letting me know. I completely agree with you. My writing is horrid at best usually, especially when I write a blog post. I guess I could go and hire an editor off of the web somewhere to do part time editing for me.

  • R. John

    This is a really great thread. Here’s my $0.02 – I have been affiliated with Renatus since 2008 when the college was totally live and held in Phoenix, AZ over the course of two years, every other month. Now it’s almost completely online with a few courses (when they are recording new ones) held live in Utah.

    I am also an active real estate investor as a result of the education, which I found exceptionally well done, instructed by real estate investors who are active in the field that they are teaching and “accredited professional” investors (IRS designation) – in other words, real practitioners. Granted, I am an engineer and have had some construction experience, which certainly helped.

    But I have to say that there are plenty of eye-rolling moments at the meetings which, as was pointed out, are primarily directed at recruiting students for the education. Without attempting to sound like an ass, I think that the more educated you already are, the less appealing their meetings are. They sound like so much hype. The only reason that I stuck was because the person that brought me in was a trusted friend that I knew didn’t go for bogus stuff.

    AND it’s too bad that the meetings are this way, because the education is top-notch and as powerful as some of my graduate classes in engineering. I was engaged and riveted in every single course that I took. My take-aways have been huge; the education has served me well and brought me a new life.

  • wiretwister

    Just discovered your website while looking for some kind of independent review of Renatus. I attended a Thursday evening meeting last week at the Downers Grove office. What a set-up they’ve got over there!
    I have not yet attended a Friday afternoon or Monday evening follow-up meeting, because I wanted to do some kind of a scam search first. Like complaints filed with the Better Business Bureau or pending Federal Trade Commission investigations. An article in Consumer Reports magazine would be really handy! A brother-in-law (retired bank executive) says it sounds like B.S. But then, he’s always been a very conservative person who takes the “standard” approach to business models and investment strategies. The slightest hint of glad-handing or sales hype will make him growl.
    Your article and your readers’ comments have been helpful. The Thursday evening meeting was certainly inspirational, but it was primarily about the organization and its education program. But, from my perspective (an under-employed lab technician), the presenters looked, well…kind of slick, like the stereotype of the person who is good at everything (or can convince others that he’s really good at something).
    My biggest concern is: how much of a personality change would I need in order to get anywhere with this kind of program?

    • chykalophiagroup

      Hello WireTwister,

      There are two types of people that will make it in Renatus type things (MLM and real estate):

      1) The person who loves MLM’s and is very very good at selling people. Generally, these are the well connected people who love to talk to people who have enough money to buy into these kids of programs.

      2) The MOTIVATED real estate investor. If you are going to do the real estate side, you seriously have to be motivated to take action. Some of the information you will learn will be crap, some of it will be great. The Renatus office that I visited (this is years ago now) was largely about building a community and network of fellow RE people who can help you. So you would have to be ‘into’ the community thing in-order to survive there.

      Either way, the renatus people that I have met are largely about selling things, taking action and building communities. If this is something you would be happy in, then it might be worth checking out.

  • Tina

    My question is, seeing as they are fairly new, does this group as a whole do what they say that they are going to do. I have come across and they are nice people with good intent. It looks like it could get out of hand with the selling but the money you spend should be tax deductible due to it being educational expense. The marketing sounds simple, you introduce someone to the school, they like and join then you get paid advertising from the school. I don’t know, you could either do this and get paid from the school and use their mediocre education system (because its not professional enough i guess) then spend more money somewhere else for about the same info and not get paid for introducing someone to the system… im not knocking it yet. it seems like a young idea and a few kinks need to be worked out with the equipment, and mentoring system according to these comments…

    • http://piotrkrzyzek.com/ Piotr Krzyzek

      Hey Tina, their system is nothing new. It’s a MLM system. Though they’ve also made sure to craft a strong community around getting actual results …. or so I’m told. When I was there the community was pretty useful, with people who are willing to help and introduce you to others. Fun place. It wasn’t a fit for me at the time, so I left. The education quality is … I don’t know. Personally: I think you can get a lot of that same info from the library. But that’s just me. Also from many internet forums, blogs, articles and stuff people give away for free. I don’t think it’s worth the heafty price tag. What is worth it though is the community aspect of things. I’m an introvert, but when I’ve stepped out of my shell and networked the community I’ve build and network have done amazing things for me (I mean my own community and network, not Renatus).

      I suggest you go there a few times, meet with team members and see if it’s something for you.

  • DSutton

    You people are all too long winded. Get to the point already! Is Renatus a SCAM or not???

    • http://piotrkrzyzek.com/ Piotr Krzyzek

      Heh, alright, so the simple answer is this:

      They ARE an MLM sales company for video training real estate products. I can’t say one way or another on their current/latest training material, though I highly doubt it’s worth 25k as from what I saw previously it’s stuff you can learn from the vast articles, books and videos available for free legally online and at your library. Though, the Renatus office I visited really was community orriented and they did have decent leadership and people making money in real estate there, especially through doing partnerships and finding investors there.

      Their sales said is 100% MLM. If you think MLM is a scam, then it’s a scam on that side of things. Their quality of current training materials: I don’t know. Valued at 6K to 25K? I also can’t value it for you, but to me, no it’s not worth that much. The value of the community though seems to be worth it.

      Take that all with a grain of salt as I haven’t talked to any of the higher ups in a few years now, and I’m highly biased against MLM.

  • Dale Walker

    Hi! My name is Dale Walker. I read your entire post after researching more about Renatus. I noticed that you mentioned Bob Tierney and that he is the head honcho basically. Is he in charge of the entire company(Renatus) or just that little meetup group?

    • http://piotrkrzyzek.com/ Piotr Krzyzek

      Hey Dale,

      Bob Tierney is NOT the head of the entire company. He’s the head of one of the local offices. He’s in the “inner circle”.